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RussellC

12-15-2011, 01:26 AM

Hi: I just got the steal of the century. Two Rogers three pice kits configured to be a double bass setup. Black Onyx and very clean wraps, seams and hardware. I was looking for help to figure out the age of the drums. I am pretty sure the Powertone kit is 1972 as one drumm has a data stamp but I think the Holiday kit is older; maybe late 1960's?

One kit has Holiday badges (8x12 Holiday, Dayton #79608; 16x16 Holiday (hand typed and not stamped), # 9429; and 14x20 Holiday, Dayton #70874.

The other kit is a Powertone and I am pretty sure it is early 1970's. 10x13 Powertone, Fullerton #040722; 16x16 “Rogers Drums B19118, #605322, 7/72; 14x22 Powertone, Fullertone #29566

Any ideas on ages of the drums?


caddywumpus

12-15-2011, 02:19 AM

"Dating Rogers Drums"

1. Make sure you have Roger's permission.
2. Check with your local laws.
3. Wine and dine them first.

...while you ponder that, somebody with expertise in Rogers drums will probably be along shortly to assist you...


Pollyanna

12-15-2011, 02:26 AM

Damn you, Caddy - beat me to it. Good advice, though. I had a relationship with Rogers drums from 1979 to 2006. The kit below has different tom fittings to my old kit.

HarryConway is the Rogers expert here.


RussellC

12-15-2011, 02:29 AM

Yeah, I fell into that one didn't I? At least you didn't give me a hard time about dating twins!


rmandelbaum

12-15-2011, 02:46 AM

awesome kit / s

great score!


caddywumpus

12-15-2011, 03:03 AM

Damn you, Caddy - beat me to it. Good advice, though. I had a relationship with Rogers drums from 1979 to 2006. The kit below has different tom fittings to my old kit.

HarryConway is the Rogers expert here.

1. Pollyanna: Watch your language!
2. Pollyanna: How did you get more than double my amount of posts?!?!?
3. Russell: Also watch for "Ploughman". He is another Rogers expert on this forum.


harryconway

12-15-2011, 05:01 AM

HarryConway is the Rogers expert here.

Au contraire .... John Ploughman is the Rogers expert. I'm just kinda six degrees of seperation from a Rogers expert. And I used to play one on TV. But ... what I know is the swivo-matic hardware went to memriloc in 1976, so ... you have drums that are pre '76. In '78, Rogers went to the XP-8 shell, an 8 ply all maple (first all maple shell in town) ... so those shells are the 5 ply maple and poplar shells. Great drums. That warm, vintage tone that so many collectors and players alike drool over. Calling John Ploughman.......


Pollyanna

12-15-2011, 05:46 AM

1. Pollyanna: Watch your language!
2. Pollyanna: How did you get more than double my amount of posts?!?!?

1. Mea cupla - I forgot that the word "relationship" is offensive to men ...
2. Caddy, I sacrificed my life to have this many posts! When/if I gain myself a new life you might have a chance to catch up.

Nice work, Harry. I had a feeling that Russell's kit (the twins :) predated the kit with which I had an extended R-word.


73Rogers

12-15-2011, 02:57 PM

Beautiful set(s)!

The 9/72 on the tag was used for several years, so it doesn't mean anything.
The Bxxxxx # indicates it's from 1974.

I think the tags only said Dayton on them from like 67-69 before the move to Fullerton.

Join us over on the Rogers Owners Forum - http://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/
That's probably the easiest place to find Ploughman and his expertise. There is a whole forum section on dating/serial #'s.

There's also a Rogers Owners Facebook group.


RussellC

12-15-2011, 03:21 PM

73Rogers, thanks for the info. I figured that the Holiday kit was probably late '60s and will join the other forums to see what else I can learn. I played Rogers back in the early '70s and am psyched to be back. These drums sound better than I remembered my old kit.

I'll post some pics this weekend.


larryz

12-15-2011, 03:30 PM

Well, now we all wanna know how much you paid for these if you care so to divulge? "Steal of the century"? Hmm..the century is only 11 years old...lol.

To compliment the vintageness of the set I'd opt to use a vintage snare and ditch the DW.


Zickos

12-15-2011, 08:42 PM

In order to date them properly first you have to treat them nicely. Bring them flowers or candy or something.


jack zerkie

12-16-2011, 02:51 AM

Mt first new kit was Rogers 1958 in Cleve. went to Grossman wharehouse picked the blue sparkle 4 piece played it forever, moved to FT Myers Fl and sold it in 1993 the a bunch of
Mapex and pearl sets and now own a new Crush kit and wow. I still have my zildjian 21" K and another K 20" sizzle. I always keep the best things . 70 yrs young and still rocknrollin. jz.


diegobxr

12-16-2011, 03:32 AM

Hahahaha this is probably the funniest thread title I've ever seen. :D

I think we all thought the same: (Poor Roger, he's gonna be pissed when he finds out). XD lol

Very nice drums you've got there man, cheers!


inneedofgrace

12-16-2011, 03:07 PM

Sometimes it feels like I'm on a date with my drums. Sometimes I spend more time with my drums than my wife....


JohnPloughman

12-17-2011, 12:18 AM

The Rogers forum is an excellent place for dating guides. And there is a newly released Dating Guide for the Big R period that is accurate.


eamesuser

12-17-2011, 07:06 PM

Lovely kit there,as far as dating goes,the kit will be less expensive in the long run I am pretty sure,even if it turns out it has a novus fetish.

It looks like you have a 20 kick with bowties,1968 or so,the dayton era is when they changed to the later t rods like on your 22"some of the early dayton drums have a flat grey int,later daytons have grey speckled int,along with later swivo drums..

Like someone here said,drums with the 9/72 label were made from 9/72 to 1975/1976 when memriloc era started,if yours say fullerton calif, prob 1969 thru 1971 to maybe 1972.

Another thing to look for on your kit would be the mounting brackets on the toms and kick,if they say rogers usa on them they would be machined rather than cast,the machined collets/mounts were phased out 1968/1969 or so I have heard.


RussellC

12-27-2011, 06:04 PM

Thanks for all the comments. Should I get candy and flowers or just candy?

The REAL punchline on this kit is that I bought the whole thing plus 5 zildjian cymbals, cases, some old ludwig hardware and pedals, a new hi hat stand, new roc and soc throne for $800. I sold most of the hardware, cymbals etc. already and so far the drums themselves cost me $43 dollars! Not a bad investment for some killer drums, eh?


harryconway

12-27-2011, 06:17 PM

Heck, $800 is a steal .... $43 ... one of the best drum deals ever in the history of drum deals.


Scott Mulder

01-11-2012, 05:59 AM

I have a five piece Rogers Holiday kit labeled "Dayton" however it has solid gray paint rather that speckled. The two mounted toms are 8X12 each. Strange that they have the same size duplicated. I hardly use the second one.

I really thought the previous owner bought them new in 63 or so but it seems I'm wrong. It has a working high hat and pedal, all top of the line Rogers at the time.

I am starting to try to price this set and am looking for help. I will post pictures and all if anyone is interested.

Scott

Silver Sparkle
20" bass
16" Floor
Tight dry sounding matching snare that is my favorite drum, although the floor tom is second because of the resonance. Excuse any spelling errors, it is late.

Has everything including a box for hardware that is made of some material not produced for a long time.

Tag in one tom... Dayton serial number 67491
All drums purchased at one time...


toddy

01-11-2012, 06:03 AM

"Dating Rogers Drums"

1. Make sure you have Roger's permission.
2. Check with your local laws.
3. Wine and dine them first.

...while you ponder that, somebody with expertise in Rogers drums will probably be along shortly to assist you...

how did i KNOW this would be the first post in the thread
incredible


JohnPloughman

01-21-2012, 07:42 PM

I have a five piece Rogers Holiday kit labeled "Dayton" however it has solid gray paint rather that speckled. The two mounted toms are 8X12 each. Strange that they have the same size duplicated. I hardly use the second one.

I really thought the previous owner bought them new in 63 or so but it seems I'm wrong. It has a working high hat and pedal, all top of the line Rogers at the time.

I am starting to try to price this set and am looking for help. I will post pictures and all if anyone is interested.

Scott

Silver Sparkle
20" bass
16" Floor
Tight dry sounding matching snare that is my favorite drum, although the floor tom is second because of the resonance. Excuse any spelling errors, it is late.

Has everything including a box for hardware that is made of some material not produced for a long time.

Tag in one tom... Dayton serial number 67491
All drums purchased at one time...

Early 1967, Your 12+12 set was known as the Top Hat. Not unusual for the time.


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